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有沒(méi)有住在廣東不學(xué)普通話學(xué)粵語(yǔ)的?

 徒步者的收藏 2017-08-09


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Darzin_
I'm really thinking of switching as everyone I know uses Cantonese in social settings and at times it seems knowing putonghua is about as useful as English everyone needs to stop and translate for you. For social settings which is where I mainly want to use the the language Cantonese seems a better fit. So I'm wondering if any of you have done this or considered it? and what your thoughts are?

我很認(rèn)真的在考慮轉(zhuǎn)為學(xué)習(xí)廣東話,因?yàn)槲艺J(rèn)識(shí)的每個(gè)人在社交場(chǎng)合都說(shuō)的是廣東話,有時(shí),似乎會(huì)講普通話和會(huì)說(shuō)英語(yǔ)是一樣的,反正別人都需要停下來(lái)給你翻譯。我主要想在社交場(chǎng)合用廣東話作交流,這樣感覺(jué)才能更好的融入。你們有沒(méi)有這樣做過(guò)或考慮過(guò)這樣做?有什么想法嗎?

 

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vmc1918 
Learn Mandarin if you want to be harmonious. Learn Cantonese if you feel like a rebel

如果你想要和諧一點(diǎn)呢學(xué)普通話,如果叛逆一點(diǎn)呢學(xué)廣東話。

blonderocker
Don't give up on Mandarin. The same feeling you have about it being as useful as English would apply to the entirety of the country if you spoke Cantonese. If you really want to invest time and effort in learning Cantonese go for it but it sounds like you would be alienating yourself from the rest of the country to speak with a small percentage of people in Guangdong. It's a useless time investment in my opinion.

別放棄普通話啊。如果你只能說(shuō)廣東話的話,面對(duì)全國(guó)其他人時(shí),你會(huì)有同樣的無(wú)力感。如果你真想投入時(shí)間和精力學(xué)習(xí)廣東話,那就去學(xué),但是聽(tīng)起來(lái)你是要選擇小部分廣東人說(shuō)的語(yǔ)言,而使你自己疏離了其他中國(guó)人。在我看來(lái),這是無(wú)用的時(shí)間投入。

borrow_an_arrow
It would definitely be interesting to learn but make sure your mandarin is top notch first. It's the national language and everyone you interact with speaks it unless you also interact frequently with senior farmers.
After you learn Mandarin it should be pretty easy. I worked with a guy (foreign) who went to Guangdong for two years and came back able to speak it.

學(xué)廣東話 挺有趣的,但是是在你普通話拔尖的基礎(chǔ)上再去學(xué)。普通話是全國(guó)通用語(yǔ)言,每個(gè)與你互動(dòng)的人都可以說(shuō)普通話,除非你也想經(jīng)常與當(dāng)?shù)啬觊L(zhǎng)的人交流。而且學(xué)習(xí)普通話之后,學(xué)廣東話應(yīng)該挺簡(jiǎn)單的。一個(gè)曾與我共事的外國(guó)人去廣東呆了兩年,回來(lái)就能說(shuō)廣東話了。

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be_nice_2_people
I learned Mandarin and am now learning Cantonese because my wife's family speaks it. I tried to learn Cantonese years ago but it was much harder without the Mandarin base.

我學(xué)過(guò)普通話,但現(xiàn)在在學(xué)廣東話,因?yàn)槲依掀乓患叶贾v廣東話。我從多年前就嘗試著學(xué)習(xí)廣東話,但如果沒(méi)有普通話打基礎(chǔ)的話會(huì)難很多。

caucasianchinastrug
Instead of is just stupid. Learn mando. And canto you can pick up later.

不學(xué)普通話就去學(xué)粵語(yǔ)是愚蠢的行為。學(xué)普通話吧,之后再學(xué)粵語(yǔ)。

[copy]Hopfrogg
Depends on what your plans for the future are.
You planning to stay there for a long time? Yeah I'd switch. Both languages are monumental pains in the asses to learn so I don't blame you for the 'instead'.
You planning to live anywhere else in China? Don't switch.

取決于你未來(lái)的規(guī)劃而已。你打算在廣東待很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間?那就學(xué)粵語(yǔ)吧。這兩種語(yǔ)言學(xué)起來(lái)都非常難,所以我不怪你只取其一。不過(guò)如果你打算在中國(guó)的其他地區(qū)居住的話,還是學(xué)普通話吧

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Versaith
Definitely learn Mandarin first. If you have basic Mandarin learning basic Cantonese is actually not too difficult. But going into Cantonese blind with all of the tones and the more 'blended' sound of everyday speech can be really difficult.
If you have a goal of learning a language to a high level I'd personally recommend just sticking to Mandarin. Cantonese is so much harder and people will speak in a more natural way whereas a lot of people speak Mandarin as a second language and so they also use simpler phrasing and talk slower. If your ultimate goal is to make deep connections with people and convey complex ideas Mandarin will get you further faster than Cantonese because of the added difficulty and slang. Plus there are far fewer learning resources available to you.

當(dāng)然是先學(xué)普通話。如果你有普通話作為基礎(chǔ)那學(xué)習(xí)一些基本的粵語(yǔ)就不是很難。但如果輕率的跑去學(xué)粵語(yǔ),粵語(yǔ)所有的音調(diào)和更多的日常用語(yǔ)混合發(fā)音會(huì)非常的難學(xué)。如果你的目標(biāo)是學(xué)好一門(mén)語(yǔ)言,我個(gè)人建議你只要堅(jiān)持學(xué)好普通話就行了?;浾Z(yǔ)會(huì)難很多而且人們說(shuō)話更快速自然,反之很多人將普通話作為第二語(yǔ)言,因此他們會(huì)使用更簡(jiǎn)單的短語(yǔ),語(yǔ)速也比較慢。如果你的最終目標(biāo)是與人建立深厚的關(guān)系,表達(dá)復(fù)雜的想法,那么普通話學(xué)習(xí)起來(lái)會(huì)比粵語(yǔ)進(jìn)步更快,因?yàn)榛浾Z(yǔ)增加了難度和俚語(yǔ)。此外,你可以獲得的學(xué)習(xí)資源也少得多。

BingHongChaIsrael
Even in business settings its much better. I hired a Cantonese speaker for this reason.

在商業(yè)環(huán)境中學(xué)習(xí)粵語(yǔ)更有用,這也是我聘用了一位粵語(yǔ)發(fā)言人的原因[/copy]

instagigated
Learn mandarin first then pick up cantonese. It will be easier. Buddy of mine went fluent in mandarin and then picked up cantonese in less than a year.

先學(xué)普通話再學(xué)粵語(yǔ)。這樣會(huì)容易一點(diǎn)。我的一個(gè)朋友會(huì)說(shuō)一口流利的普通話,然后不到一年就學(xué)會(huì)了粵語(yǔ)

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Mr_Bakgwei 
I feel your pain. I studied Mandarin but everyone around me speaks Cantonese. It was frustrating to sit there and have people talk in a Chinese language that I didn't know. That being said I eventually began to pick up Cantonese. Often it was words that sounded somewhat like Mandarin words I knew. It's taken years but I finally have a good grasp on Cantonese as well as Mandarin. It does make life easier to understand the people around you. However despite all that I still would learn Mandarin first. First Mandarin I is the official language of the country. Most people speak it fluently even if many people have execrable accents. Finding learning resources for Mandarin is WAY easier than Cantonese. If you live in Guangzhou Shenzhen or Dongguan a large and growing percentage of the population don't speak Cantonese. This includes many of the people you deal with on a daily basis (retail restaurant and other low wage workers). Traveling outside the Cantonese area is WAY easier if you can speak fluent Mandarin. Also a significant chunk of the business owners I deal with also don't speak Canto. Essentially if you have any aspirations for doing business in China Mandarin fluency is essential.

我能感受到你的痛苦。我學(xué)了普通話但我身邊的人都在講粵語(yǔ)。令人沮喪的是,坐在一起,人們用我不懂得語(yǔ)言聊天。也就是說(shuō),最終我只能開(kāi)始學(xué)習(xí)粵語(yǔ)。粵語(yǔ)的一些字句聽(tīng)起來(lái)像我學(xué)過(guò)的普通話。我花費(fèi)了幾年時(shí)間最終像普通話那樣很好的掌握了粵語(yǔ)。這使我在生活中可以更容易的跟周?chē)娜私涣?。盡管如此,我還是會(huì)選擇先學(xué)普通話。首先,普通話是中國(guó)的官方語(yǔ)言,盡管很多人有可怕的口音但多數(shù)人都能流利的使用普通話。尋找學(xué)習(xí)普通話的資料也比粵語(yǔ)容易得多。如果你住在廣州深圳或東莞,有很大且逐漸增長(zhǎng)的比例的人口不會(huì)說(shuō)粵語(yǔ)。這包括每天與你打交道的很多人(零售店,餐館和其他低薪工人)。如果你能說(shuō)一口流利的普通話,在廣東地區(qū)以外的地方旅行就容易多了。而且我遇到的大部分企業(yè)家都不說(shuō)粵語(yǔ)?;旧?,如果你有任何想要在中國(guó)做生意的愿望,那么流利的普通話是必不可少的。


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